Been meaning to write some of this up for a long time now. A few weeks ago a guy from Germany sent me an email asking for details on the calibration bar and process for the FMC, John Bean, and Hofmann Acraliner/Visualiner/Dynaliner series of alignment machines. I have a Visualiner 7904 that I use on occasion in my home shop. Direct crossover to the 9900, 7900, and 5900 lines - but much similarity to the later machines, too.
He wrote:
Hi,
about two years ago you searched for a FMC Acraliner calibration kit.
I have the same problem :D I own a Hofmann Dynaliner which is the same
hardware but without the bar, the stands and the L. You wrote, that you
found all the parts. It would be very nice if you could measure the parts
that i can rebuild them.
Ok, here goes -
For the regular head calibration (camber, sai, cross toe) there's no critical dimensions to any of it.
At the end of the day, you need two stands that put the bar level above your turntables (or equiv). The ability to spin the bar on the stand repeatably is needed, and if you can clamp the bar down it makes life a little better - but not required.
The factory stands have a second set of slots that you can use to put the bar at an angle and get a ~~4 degree change in either direction, useful for validating that a camber sensor is still working (I had one that would indicate 10 degress of change over that 4 degress)
For the bar, obviously you'll need pegs to fit your heads - pull the ID of the bushing and make a peg to fit. ;)
Width is not critical - I wish mine was wider, since my narrowest car is still 6-8 inches wider than the bar (so I have to slide my turntables in)
- I'd say make it so the stands sit on your typical turntable placement and be happy.
The bar will ned some sort of groove to keep it located on the stands - you want it to not slide left/right on the stands, but instead sit in a repeatable location.
The bar will need 3 positions marked on it (and a pointer on the stand to indicate them) - these reflect the same 1/2/3 marks on the wheel brackets for runout. mark 3 is at "top", with 1 and 2 being 45 degrees to each side of that. (check your wheel brackets to confirm which direction - but it's not really critical.)
That's pretty much it - you end up with a bar parallel to your turntables that you put the heads on and calibrate to zero to match your floor or lift. Since you do a runout check as part of the process, the bar doesn't need to be 100% straight - any runout gets factored out during the process. Cross toe gets zeroed out there, too, since the heads are square to each other (+- runout).
Since I dont use mine daily, I always re-cal before every use. And since I use the floor w/ home built stands, and not a lift (inside my 2 post, or outside of it for the trucks), my turntable positions aren't repeatable - so I set the car (these days I have the floor marked..) in place, mark it, drop the stands and turntables, then cal for that spot front and rear.
Now, the track toe calibration (front to rear lasers) is a lot more tricky and a lot more specific - the fixture is pretty small, so shipping to .de shouldn't be a major issue - I'd recommend buying one. I can put you in touch with a guy in Canada who supplies my parts (and advice, Roy's a good guy!), he may have another track fixture. If not, I have a few old leads I could pass on.
My guy in canada, who's really been the resource that's made it possible to keep this old guy going - feel free to tell him I sent you. :)
RAL Sales <ral_sales at shaw.ca>
Roy Looyenga
R.A.L Sales & Service
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
306.477.0900
http://www.ralsales.ca/
I'm happy to provide advice on calibrating and testing individual sensors, as well.
Pictures below!
Hi Dave,
ReplyDeleteI have picked up a old john beam Visualiner the two front ccd heads are giving to high raw cross toe reading LF 0.85 AND RF 0.98 I Have tried adjusting the cross toe heads but this does not seem to do a lot, can you please give me any info on testing the heads, and in the raw data display it shows gain of the heads , is the higher gain reading better or is the lower gain reading the best as LF gain is 100 and the RF gain is 12
Thanks David Browne, david.browne7@ntlworld.com
Hi Dave,
ReplyDeleteI have picked up a old john beam Visualiner the two front ccd heads are giving to high raw cross toe reading LF 0.85 AND RF 0.98 I Have tried adjusting the cross toe heads but this does not seem to do a lot, can you please give me any info on testing the heads, and in the raw data display it shows gain of the heads , is the higher gain reading better or is the lower gain reading the best as LF gain is 100 and the RF gain is 12
Thanks David Browne, david.browne7@ntlworld.com
Thank you for this valuable information! I am making a calibration bar for my Visualiner and I wanted to confirm that the marks are 45 degrees apart, as stated above. The picture makes it look like they are closer to 90 degrees apart, so I want to be sure.
ReplyDeletepretty late reply...... but yeah, you're right - 90 degrees apart!
DeleteDo you have the password to get I to the calibration menu?
ReplyDeletemine doesnt have a password to get to the calibration menu - not sure it even has that option. sorry!
DeleteHello,
ReplyDeleteI am french and I have this bench of geometry which works very well but here I am desperately looking for more than a year an update of the database until 2010 because mine stops in 2004. on the internet as well as john bean impossible to find but it exists (seen on an internet photo). by chance would you have it?
for calibration with bar no worries but I do not understand how to use the calibration tool in L against if it was possible to explain to me that it would be great.
thanking you in advance for your help
you dont need an updated database - lookup the alignment specs and just align to those specs (there's even a mode that lets you manually input your target values)
DeleteHello,
ReplyDeletei can ask for help because i have the same machine a john bean visualizer v7. I am looking for more than a year of an update of the database of this device until 2010 because mine stops in 2003. it exists because a person sells the same device with base of data 2010 but unfortunately too far and no cd of maj in his possession or copy hard drive. I would have liked to know how the L calibration tool works.
Thank you in advance for your help
Hello Dave,
ReplyDeleteI have the same dilemma, I do have the "L" shaped calibration tool, but do not have the stands and bar. The bar is the easy part I believe. I am trying to draw the stands in CAD so I can get a set laser cut, but I am having trouble getting the dimensions. Is there a way you could get the X/Y dimensions for each "point". For example, starting at the bottom left hand corner, 0 in, 0 in, the right corner is 0 in, 5 in. And the next corner is 5 in, 4 in (meaning it's 5 inches to the right of initial start point, and 4 inches up.
I would also publish the CAD files so anyone else that needs these can have the ability to make them.
Thank you very much.
hey james - I know it's been a long time (I just got a big batch of moderation notices, thanks google for your excellent timing), but: the stands are....not dimension critical really. as long as they hold the bar even, they really dont matter. V knock big enough to hold the slot in the bar (which is also not critical), and something to clamp down a bit for holding...
DeleteHello Dave! Nice blog.Maybe I should do it..
ReplyDeleteI also have two visualiner.
The circuit boards in the measuring heads are the same.
Is there a way to tell the head who he is? I have a head in the back right, he says he’s front right.
Repair error in the past.
The cables are no distinction.
Greetings Dirk
it's been years since I needed to get mine running (though that time is approaching...). I thought the heads plugged into dedicated cables? but maybe my memory is wrong. in which case, I guess there must be some kind of ID on the board. maybe DIPs or jumpers?
DeleteSometimes you just don’t see it...
DeleteThe configuration is set via the red DIPs.
glad you found it!
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